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welcome to Sputnik orbiting the world

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with me George Galloway and me gayatri

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the EU crisis goes on and on

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brexit anti EU governments in Hungary

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and Austria skeptics in power in

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Portugal insurrection and repression in

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Spain Greece sullen and broken and now

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Italy the election of a viable coalition

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government of the populace left and

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right may have been scuppered by the

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president of Italy who acting under

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pressure from the markets and from

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Brussels has vetoed the coalition choice

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of Finance Minister on the grounds of

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his hostility to the euro to German

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domination of the EU and all-round

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euro scepticism the president's first

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ploy was to install a former IMF

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austerity candidate as a technocrat

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Prime Minister followed by new elections

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but now both the president and the

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putative PM may be rowing back joining

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us now to discuss the imbroglio is

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Federico Gotti London correspondent of

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Mediaset the major Italian broadcaster

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welcome onboard the sputnik I know this

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story is developing by the hour but what

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are the no likely chances of a deal

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being reached between the coalition and

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the President and kindly give us your

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take on what the coalition now will look

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like ok it's hard to say if in the next

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few hours there will be a government by

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5 star movement and Northern League they

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have been trying for almost three months

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88 days and they're making a lot of

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efforts but not enough to calm and ease

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for example the market turmoils or the

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public opinion now the only way forward

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will be to put aside mr. Simona who has

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been in the news because of his

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political ideas about Euro and put him

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not in the position that it was supposed

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to go

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the finance minister by

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another position in this way they could

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reach an agreement a five star movement

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and Northern League and put forward a

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list of minister and the government who

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that actually could have problems in

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reaching those structural reforms that

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Italy must have because the majority in

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the parliament won't be as good as they

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thought or as good as Italy needs so it

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will be a kind of caretaker government

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in the next few months and this is

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exactly what Italy should not hope for

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you see it wouldn't be a big enough

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majority that's true but if the five

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star movement and the league are

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supported by or at least not opposed by

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others they do have a workable

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parliamentary majority treasom a would

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be very happy to have a majority like

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that and the British Parliament yeah

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also because the Maya during the

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campaign the leader of five star

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movement said that he will kind of stay

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on the side of the bracket ears and the

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UK because there is a sentiment of an TE

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you both in the UK with resume and the

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Braxtons negotiation both in Italy with

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this populist parties now this is a

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crucial point in this agenda it's a

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crucial element because let's say let's

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see what happened with shabanam Savona

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he's a well known technocrat he's been

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in prominent roles in Italy for almost

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30 years and as soon as his name came up

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as a possible finance minister the

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markets in the whole world started to

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show elements of turmoil because in the

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past up until two years ago he said

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something like we should get as soon as

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five star movement and the Northern

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League will have government created a

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government a secret meeting with all the

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ministers in the night and Guerra we get

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out of Euro without saying it to anybody

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this position nowadays but it was enough

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to get Brussels and the bigger investors

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to feel a bit uncomfortable the spread

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when crazy went 320 points the whole

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market situation was unpredictable and

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became to put pressure on material and

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does the president the president of

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Italy who should guarantee a neutrality

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position said I will save the money in

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the Italians current account I will

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preserve the financial interest and I

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will preserve the market position

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towards Italy and I will exclude I will

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put my veto on mr. support well this is

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the perfect dichotomy isn't it you have

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public opinion and elections on one side

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and markets on the other money talks and

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presumably the electorate take second

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place isn't this quintessentially the

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problem in the EU of all the Italian

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electorate so conclude exactly that's

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that's the hot topic that's the crucial

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point and it's a philosophical question

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whether this can be called a democracy

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so we don't live according to some or

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most part of the Italian public in a

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direct democracy but is a democracy that

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has been indirect where the markets play

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the greater role and this is the nature

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of all the anti-eu sentiments that made

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the five star movement and the Northern

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League success in this elections on the

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4th of March it's easy to see that

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democracy in Italy in Greece has been

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put on a side in favor of the markets

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there is a funny thing about five star

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movement and Northern League they up

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against the EU and against the euro now

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they had to suppress these ideas in

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order to get more votes but if you see

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it at the science mister Savona and

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anti-eu expert on economics if you see

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the five star movement t-shirts and low

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guns up until last year let's get out of

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you if you see the Northern League

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programs up until 2013 they all were

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leading towards let's get out of Europe

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because if you see at the data euro is

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not helping the Italian economy now if

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you see the manufacturing basis since

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the arrived of the euro it was a cut by

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1/4 there are a lot of major companies

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Italian companies that couldn't keep up

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with the depths and with the implication

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of the euro and had to be sold attached

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a mentee and others so euro didn't help

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the structural basis of sivanna right

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when he said that the the euro exists to

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serve the German economy not the

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economies of countries like Italy well

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it's not up to me to say if is right or

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wrong but this is exactly the sentiment

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that the five star movement and the know

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the league could cease now tone is that

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sentiment

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sorry go according to the latest poll

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the 60% of the Italian people doesn't

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want to get out of Euro but the 35%

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think that Europe must be changed in

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order to have a political and social

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alliance that doesn't get

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certain nations to flourish let certain

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nation to be still a majority sentiment

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that something needs to be absolutely

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not just in Italy I mean this is what I

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began by saying that this crisis is now

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becoming all enveloping the former

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socialist countries are revolting

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against refugee and immigration issues

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and being propelled to power on them

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great and historic members of the EU

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like Italy are electing politicians

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whether they've suppressed or not there

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are true intentions to electoral

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majorities and Britain is leaving

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whatever way you look at it the EU has a

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very serious problem on its hands and

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that's something that the brexit ears

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are looking with a lot of attention

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Europe wish to get to an existential

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crisis now possibly this Italian crisis

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and the Greek situation will force

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Europe to rethink about its structure

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and its identity it will have some

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effects also on the black sectors

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because maybe Europe will say maybe we

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have a big actually we have a bigger

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problem now and it will ease the

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position towards the UK or since what is

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striking about Europe is that since

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brexit day for once made it possible to

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become a block it's incredible so

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probably they will lose this position

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and will they will not be able to make a

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stand against the UK or you know the

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scenario they want to punish that we

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want to punish the UK even more to

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discourage other countries to do the

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same it's an existential crisis of the U

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markets are playing the biggest role so

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it's bound to get a situation in which

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all the political classes has either to

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break it from the you either to go with

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they failed and you can see the effects

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with the spread which is a different

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between the German bond the German bonds

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and Italian bonds were 320 on Monday if

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that number gets to 500 or more Italy

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it's default you know so it's it's very

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difficult something wrong with a bit of

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default in my view let me let me just

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ask you a final question and a very

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brief answer please if there are new

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elections will five star and the league

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win again five star will be still

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probably the first party but the

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centre-right coalition will be more than

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40 percent according to a latest poll so

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centre-right coalition which is League

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Berlusconi's Party will have the mandate

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to govern and pushing the 5 star

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most likely scenario and that might be

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the best scenario for the 5 star

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coalition in my view but that's a matter

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for me and not for you I'm deeply

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grateful to you for your voice for

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having me and your time thanks for

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joining us thank you coming up next are

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we when saving the world find out after

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welcome back to Sputnik breaking the

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glass ceiling the long-awaited

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breakthrough of women to the top in the

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professions has been more talked about

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them realized

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although Britain has a woman head of

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state and a woman Prime Minister only a

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fool would say that women run Britain

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our guest today is no fool and that's

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the last claim that she would make for

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her breaking the glass ceiling is

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necessary to save the world so much so

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that the title of her new book is saving

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the world she's Paula Deanna author

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entrepreneur motivational speaker and

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all-round ceiling breaker and she's

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onboard the sputnik Paula thanks it's an

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amazing book that's already attracting a

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great deal of interest you even got on

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the back someone from the SAS saying

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that he couldn't keep his hands off the

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book which came as a bit of a surprise

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to me because the SAS are not

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particularly women friendly in what way

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is this going to save the world if we

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can break this glass ceiling it's a big

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claim it's a realistic claim because the

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women will help all of us to create a

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better world for everyone not only for

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women but for children and for men this

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is a time we we lived for centuries

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without the talent of women because the

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pacheco society literally closed us

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inside the houses and look what we have

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now we have a culture all based on power

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or war we don't really have real

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happiness even when we have money we

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need the values that women cherish the

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most

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we need more compassion more sharing

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more empathy more love that's why we

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need women everywhere at the top and of

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course in every kind of job so we need

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to give them the chance to express their

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talents and the world would be a better

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world for everyone I'm sure 100 percent

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and this is already happening

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so women empowerment

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it's the most disruptive force that we

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are facing now more than technology

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seriously we are shaping society and we

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are changing it

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think about domestic violence it's a

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real plug not only in the UK but in

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every country in Italy my native country

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in Russia everywhere and we are not

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talking too much so much about a time

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where our governments are not doing

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enough in order to stop it but you know

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what will help stop in domestic violence

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empowering women because a woman when

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she's empowered when she has

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economically independence she will stop

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her husband to her man who is violent

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she will say enough you know you get out

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from this house because I have the money

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I have the power to live without you

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here you know beating me and my children

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so everything will change

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now many women they're just scared and

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they have no money they don't know what

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to do and they stay in these families

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you know with this violent man and they

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do anything so that's why we need to

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help women to get empowered also to have

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a more peaceful society and I can't

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force were to break in now because I

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could answer you with two words Margaret

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Thatcher

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i sat in Parliament under the

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Premiership of Margaret Thatcher who was

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very definitely a woman but who was as

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violent aggressive rough disruptive in a

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very negative way so empowering Margaret

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Thatcher neither liberated women nor men

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in fact it tore British society asunder

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I understand what you're saying in fact

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one of the theorem my book is that we

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don't need only one woman we need a

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critical mass of women in politics

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because only a critical mass will really

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change politics the case of Margaret

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Thatcher was good for herself but of

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course she wasn't a feminist and as you

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say she wasn't really you know sharing

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the values that are typical of women and

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I can quote here Simone de Beauvoir and

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she said that it's not enough to born

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female to be a woman you need more to

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become a real

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and empower woman an enlightening woman

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you need culture you need education you

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need to be a feminist because being a

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feminist means dealing and wanting and

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and really fighting for equality for

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everyone not only for women but for men

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as well so maybe my knowledge as well

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exactly you could be and should be a

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feminine grateful tell you that in one

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of his great songs said you say you want

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a revolution but how do you treat your

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woman back home and there's a lot of

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left-wing men that want a revolution and

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might even agree with you on the the

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theoretical level in everything that

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you've just said but they don't act like

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that at home and that's true in Britain

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might also be true in Italy is it yes

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Italy has a very very difficult

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situation right now you know data says

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that every three days in Italy man kela

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woman especially ex-boyfriend a day

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ex-husband yes it's incredible

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it's really incredible it's so sad

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that's why my next book would be all

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about femicide and domestic violence

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because it's a social emergency we need

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to do something our governments are not

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doing enough and in order to face this

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kind of emergency we need to invest more

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money in education because we need to

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educate this boys since they're little

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when they're young we need to tell them

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that I have to respect women we need to

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explain to them why women's rights are

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so important and also we need to help

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girls to feel empowered know and to feel

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that more confident because there is a

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huge cultural bias against women and we

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are seriously enslaved by this culture

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we don't even understand many times that

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we are slaved because we society wants

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us to be perfect once has to be all the

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time super skinny forever young all

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things that are completely unrealistic

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and many girls especially when they're

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teenagers

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they feel that they don't love

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themselves they feel that the body is

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not perfect so they feel weak and they

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come become empowered also because of

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that because you know self-love is the

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beginning is the most important thing so

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you need to be confident in order to

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become ambitious and then reach whatever

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you want in life that's very important

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and we need to help our girls especially

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to become self-confidence let me ask you

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about the critical mass point again I

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sat in Parliament when a huge influx of

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labour women MPs came in there when they

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were known rather insultingly as Blair's

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babes there were 105 of them I think

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maybe 101 certainly more than 100 when

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it came to the Iraq war 97 of them voted

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for the Iraq war so I'm having

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difficulty with your premise that women

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have less aggressive less warlike yeah

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less violent values and from my policy

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from my point of view that men don't

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have them which is also worrying by the

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way men kill men every couple of hours

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in London these days mother is is gender

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neutral in that respect

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not really we come back about this after

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but let me please it's playing something

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regarding what you say to me so I

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understand your point of view but you're

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only basing this on your personal

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experience and my point of view at the

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point of view of an historian because I

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started history and history of religions

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and this is my background so I see the

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big picture through centuries I really

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look at that and in every nations not

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only in the UK of course not in a short

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period and I can promise you that

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critical mass of women will change and

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actually is change in the society so

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it's not enough to see 97 women because

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you also have to see that the party they

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were they were answering to the party

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and the boss of the party was a man so

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always think where is the real power the

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real power is in the hands

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the head of the party now I already can

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see why you're a motivational speaker

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and I already know that you're a very

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powerful writer but you're also an

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entrepreneur another pretty male

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preserve tell us about that

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yes I'm intrapreneur and a businesswoman

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and I started in Italy at the most

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difficult country to become a female

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entrepreneur so I always say if I

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succeeded there I can succeed everywhere

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in the world and I actually have clients

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everywhere in the world especially in

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Russia because I deal with luxe and

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luxuries so I provide recruitment of

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high-end houses stuff for clients

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worldwide I provide headhunting of the

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most incredible pas and EAS and

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secretarial staff again around the ward

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and I offered through Cee Lo's my luxury

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brand management lifestyle management to

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families in family offices who are

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coming to London especially and her

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trouble in the world and they want to do

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it in style and really enjoy their life

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so so you've already broken the glass

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ceiling yeah what about the working

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woman who's watching this working in a

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factory in a shop in an office 9:00 till

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5:00 if they're lucky

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what's your what's your message to them

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how did they break their glass ceiling

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first of all believe in yourself always

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even when people tell you no you're not

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worth it no you won't do it to know you

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won't reach it always believe in

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yourself you know look at yourself in

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the mirror and say I would do that I

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will win and then never give up because

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everyone even me we always have our

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times you know when you feel weak when

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the world seems crushing on us you have

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to stand still and be stronger than ever

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so the more the game is difficult the

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more you have to play hard and and then

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just do what you love have a passion and

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change don't be scared of changes never

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be scared of changing because out there

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there might be the occasion of your life

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so I'll add the other

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author speaker and entrepreneur thanks

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for coming thank you very much and now

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it's your turn to tell us what you think

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through the portals of social media

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what's rattling gayatri so what's going

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on it was going to happen in Italy FRA

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who says without concessions to those

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elected by the Italian people we will

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have a destabilized Italy lurching

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further to the right via populism not

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what anyone wants I'd imagine

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I think it's the wrong definition of

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populism but then I'm governed by

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Britain's broadcasting rules so I can't

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go too deeply into that so then our

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women better leaders democracy in the UK

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now says Indira Gandhi benazir bhutto

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Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner just in

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our other great leaders not because

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they're woman but because they had had

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the compassion to represent their people

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in the courage to stand by their

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convictions very well put couldn't put

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it better myself and shan't try to well

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that's all the time we've got for today

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then which alas means that's the end of

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the show but you can stay in touch with

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Sputnik on Russia today it's goodbye

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from me Gayatri and for me George

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Galloway it's been marvellous

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